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Comment by Gavin McCullough on May 30, 2017 at 3:40pm

I think beethinking just got ahead of hindsight it becomes a bit obvious...I read a post of the owner talking about how firing 47 people was the hardest thing he had ever done...all I could think was, "dang...47 people...hopefully 42 of them were making hives"...but i think they were top heavy...lots of managers and such.  Somebody also mentioned them over planning on mead production...again, Mead? really. probably too much hipster, not enough builder. anywho...maybe I can find, or make, a nice copper top.

as for the swarm harvester...yeah...the very first swarm we had at this house (13 years ago) we had a "bee guy" from the East Mountain come out and grab was cool how he could just put a box under the swarm and shake the branch and catch the protective gear at all. he mentioned that he could put a one way out for the bees and a small hive next to the wall and get most of the bees...but he thought the queen wouldn't come out...and we didn't want to kill a queen (reading more about hive and bees and I see a queen death is often part of the life of the hive)...

I might go that route...will wait a bit to see if this group picks up a bit...the hive seems did this once before and the bees dissappeared for a couple of years before returning (and by returning I mean a new swarm must of found some comb and decided this would be a good home). It would be ironic if I get a hive and the wall bees decided to go away...


Comment by Rhett Renoud on May 30, 2017 at 7:29am

That's too bad.  I don't and won't take anyone's money until the product is ready to ship.  BeeThinking was taking people's money just to stay afloat.  That, my friend, is called a Ponzi scheme!  Gavin, what did you think about my earlier post about the Swarm Harvester?     

Comment by Gavin McCullough on May 30, 2017 at 6:35am
Yeah, I ordered the copper roof from beethinking, but it was one of the items that didn't make it to me and that I consider a loss. Maybe I'll try to find one on eBay or something....
Comment by Rhett Renoud on May 30, 2017 at 3:15am

There’s nothing wrong with keeping an empty hive outside.  It seems that most people have more success catching a swarm in an elevated trap versus a ground level trap, but that’s not to say that your method won’t work.  Sometimes placing a bar of empty comb in the empty hive is also helpful in luring bees.  My only concern, overtime, is the condition of the Warre roof.  Maybe your roof has enough shade throughout the day to endure years of service without cracking.  From my experience, the cedar Warre roof will eventually warp and/or crack.  The Sweet Valley Hive roof was thicker and therefore theoretically lasted longer than The Warre Store or BeeThinking roof; however, they still felt victim to the harsh climate.  Sometimes the cracks are innocent and start where the screw holes are.  Overtime, the crack deepens and widens.  I know I’ve said this before, and at the risk of being a resounding gong, I will say it again.  In my opinion, the Warre tops in our higher elevations and drier climates really need a more protected covering than just wood.  Besides wood moisture extraction and UV effects, the extreme heat and cold temperature fluctuations is hard on the wood.  Perhaps pine is more forgiving and will handle the elements better.  Either way, I’m still an advocate for metal (or shingled) roofs and build all my hives using copper as the outer covering. 

Comment by Rhett Renoud on May 30, 2017 at 2:20am

Gavin, by the sound of it, I think you already have the beekeeping bug!  By the way, you have a beautiful backyard!  Sadly, BeeThinking; like many companies, grew too big, too quickly.  This probably isn’t the place to discuss politics and economics, but fiscal conservatism goes a long way.  Unfortunately, I think greed got in the way.  Many paying customers will not receive their orders, which is sad.  While Matt’s intentions probably weren't aimed to do harm, he took a lot of risks that eventually brought down the brand.

As for the bees in the wall, there is one method that we haven’t yet explored.  If desperate enough, you could always use something similar to the Swarm Harvester to lure them out.  Here’s the link: 

Here’s more details about how it works:

Comment by Gavin McCullough on May 29, 2017 at 3:48pm

Rhett...the wall opening is a bit bigger...maybe 6 or 7 bees could squeeze through

took that there are still some bees in there...just the activity is way down. maybe the will get busy and make more bees...if not...well...tending to the bees we naturally have is one thing, actually buying bees to keep in the yard when my wife is allergic would be suspect...if anything happened to her it would likely go down as, " you've known your wife for almost 40 years?" "Yes." "And you know she is allergic to wasp and bee stings?" "Yes." "And you bought 5000 bees and put them in your backyard?" "Yes." "Yeah, I think you need to come downtown with us..."

Comment by Gavin McCullough on May 28, 2017 at 12:11pm western cedar. a couple of coats of tung oil. 2 boxes, quilt box and roof. I did order the nice feeder from the warre store. right now the top bars are just evenly placed and no wax. If bees come in the next week, that is what they will work with...but that is unlikely. I did order brads, a driver, and some bees wax. If no bees when those arrive I will wax the bars and nail them in place.

I don't plan to harvest any honey from these two boxes at any time...they are for the bees.

If I catch a swarm and they do well I will add a bottom box in the spring. But...still plan to do little except give them a home. (on the off chance they do really well I could maybe see doing a half sized box as a super in a couple of years to take a bit of honey...but that is getting way way ahead of myself...1st job is hoping wall bees decide to abscond over to the hive with a queen in tow).

Comment by Gavin McCullough on May 28, 2017 at 12:04pm


First...Rhett...the entrance is very small...maybe 3 or 4 bees can move in and out at one time. Since the swarm the hive activity is very low...still some bees in and out, but way down. I am hoping it is not a queen issue.

now the new stuff:

1. I finally got my hive from beethinking...I did not get all my order and it looks like beethinking may be going out of business, so i think my other items are a loss. I did order a couple of things from the Warre Store just last week after hearing about beethinking.

2. with the wall bees recently swarmed and low activity, I assume I will be some time with out bees...still I put the hive together and put it outside with a bit of lemongrass oil...maybe a swarm will come...maybe not.

3. I still plan to mostly be a bee-haver vs a bee-keeper. right now with the wall bees I am a bee-haver, and even if a swarm comes to the hive I will likely leave it alone (maybe feed a bit?)...but maybe I get the beekeeping bug?

4. Thanks for this site...if I do get a swarm I am sure I will be bugging you people quite a bit more.

5. Is there any reason not to keep an empty hive outside? can't really image it becomes a home to any pests...will make sure no wasps build a nest or anything like that (my wife is very allergic to wasps, kinda allergic to bees...keep a few epi pens around the house).

Comment by Samuel Lopez on May 4, 2017 at 7:06am

Jeremy- my semi-frames have wax applied to the starter strip and so I would echo Rhett's statement about applying wax to your wedge style top bars.

Comment by Rhett Renoud on May 3, 2017 at 3:00pm

You're welcome, I'm glad that I can help!  I'm sure everyone has their own unique method for application.  Do what works best for you.  I started out by using a cheap brush.  Beeswax isn't the easiest to work with.  I now melt a large pan of wax and dip my comb guides.  I have found that method to be the easiest and I don't have to worry about gumming up brushes.



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